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Out of the Shell #2: @Turtle?

Welcome to the second installment of Out of the Shell, a series of interviews with the developers, designers, and doers behind TurtleCoin. This is @gigantomachia and I’ll be your host.

As word continues to spread about TurtleCoin and its awesome community, more and more people are finding their way to our discord server (as of Feb. 17, there were 6,944 members). One of the attractive things about the TurtleCoin community is that it’s naturally evolved into a welcoming place for people steeped in coding and those new to crypto and unfamiliar with the command line. So, it’s no surprise that many of the the new members soon find themselves in the #help channel, whether to ask how to get a CLI wallet set up or what it means to sync the blockchain. And when they do, many are lucky to encounter @Turtle?. An early member of the TurtleCoin community, @Turtle? stands vigil in the #help channel, ready to assist even the most dumbfounded new member. @Turtle? lives in the UK, where he runs a computer-repair business.

How did you first learn about TurtleCoin?

I first learned about TurtleCoin from /biz/ on 4chan. I was in their very first thread only a few hours after it had been posted.

Sounds like you’re a regular on /biz/, so I’m sure you’ve seen plenty of posts on various altcoins. What was it about the TurtleCoin post that made you get involved in the community and contribute?

The first thing that got my attention was a crude MS Paint drawing, to be honest with you. This wasn’t a coin that was trying hard with fancy marketing and lots of figures on how the coin can work for you. It was much more humble than that, inviting people to come and contribute no matter their skill level. The whole thing seemed very friendly and community-based, which is very rare these days.

As for contributing I just shared what I knew about setting things up from my own experience. At the start, it was only Linux based unless you knew how to compile it for Windows, so a majority of us were running it via virtual machines. As time went on it became slightly easier to set it up on all platforms, but it wasn’t a one-click solution. I tried to help out with common issues that I saw being repeated if I knew how to solve them, even going so far as to private message individuals and edit their GPU configs for mining manually.

What’s your work background? Are you a developer IRL?

I’m not a developer, no. I have some background in tech support, but that’s it really.

What do you do for work?

I would say I’m self employed. I run a computer-repair business, but that’d be overselling myself lol. I mainly repair friends’, family and friends of friends’ computers. Not huge, but it’s enough to pay the bills.

What’s your favorite type of pizza?

New Yorker/Meat feast

How long have you been into crypto? Is TurtleCoin the first crypto community you’ve actively contributed to?

I mined bitcoin in the really early days as it was a fun thing at the time. That hard drive is dead/overwritten and lost, unfortunately. I got back into crypto last year after hearing how well bitcoin was doing from a friend and started mining again as a hobby a few months after. This is the first time I’ve actively contributed to a crypto community and also the first time I’ve really done anything in the crypto scene besides mining and trading.

Now that the project has progressed beyond those early days, what type of things are you working on in the TurtleCoin community?

I’m not a developer or anything, so I’m mainly still answering questions and helping new people get on their feet fairly quickly without too many headaches.

People who help new members are very important to the growth of the community. From your vantage point, what are the most common stumbling blocks that new people face in getting up and running with TurtleCoin?

The biggest stumbling block would have to be the main wallet being command line only, and also the miner being command line too. Most of it is fairly straight forward, where you just have to enter in text commands, but a good chunk of people have been spoilt with fancy graphics and buttons that just do the things for them, so it’s a change not a lot of people are familiar with.

I’m not a developer either, so even I’m intimidated by the command line. There are GUI wallets now though, right?

There has been two GUI wallets around since the first few weeks I think, although they require you to either be on Linux or compile it yourself (which most people looking for a GUI wallet won’t know how to do). There has been some really good work going on with the Xamarin wallet in the last month though and most Windows users can get it up and running in under a minute, which is really nice! (This doesn’t count the time spent downloading the blockchain, but it’s a start.)

When you’re not fixing computers or hanging out in the TurtleCoin #help channel, what do you like to do for fun?

I’m not really the social type so it’s mostly hanging out with a few friends at home while playing games/watching films or going down the rabbit hole that is the internet and wondering where the last 5 hours went.

Sounds familiar. You mentioned getting involved in the TurtleCoin community because it seemed genuine, didn’t try too hard to market itself as the next bitcoin, etc. What hopes do you have for TurtleCoin? Is this just a fun project, or do you see real opportunity here?

For me, personally, I see it as a fun project as I’m not a developer nor a major contributor. However, I also think that the project as a whole will go really far if it keeps up the current pace and morale. The amount of time and effort that has gone into a project only two months old is astonishing.

Do you have any request for the reader? Or suggestions for how people can get involved if they want? Any projects you’re working on that could use input?

If you have any questions don’t hesitate to join the discord. Nobody bites and people are more than willing to help you! If you would like to develop something for TurtleCoin, jump in and introduce yourself. Even if you think you have no skills, I’m sure there’s something you could get your hands on and we’re more than happy to help you along the way.

And if anyone wants to come in and help out with new people, you’re more than welcome to. Means I can put my feet up for a little bit. aha!

Anything else you’d like to add?

I’d just like to say thanks to the devs for all their hard work, thanks to the community for being so warm and inviting and thanks to you for allowing me to be interviewed.


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A note from RockSteady:

Turtle?, you’ve been an amazing part of this community, and I personally consider you the safety net that keeps people coming back and turns their frown upside down when things break. You’ve done so much to help us, and from all of your teammates, we thank you for that, sincerely.

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Mess With The Best…

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A relentless Turtle Team prepares for battle!

… and Die Like The Rest.

A critical security issue was discovered by Turtlecoin developers and subsequently patched. Other Cryptonote forks and, possibly, other coins are vulnerable as well.

If you have not already done so, please update to the latest version of Turtlecoin.

Turtlecoin is completely secure from the vulnerability described in this article from v0.3.1 onwards. Technical details are published here:

Roughly two weeks ago, some of our developers decided to look into the security of Turtlecoin. It was immediately apparent that the vulnerability Tavis Ormandy pointed out in the Electrum Wallets ( were also present in Turtlecoin as well as most Cryptonote forks.

We immediately set out to fix this in two commits:


Additionally, we have also reached out to the majority of the other affected Cryptonote coins with our findings in an effort to secure the community and to raise awareness for the bug class.

The impact of the vulnerability is substantial. A simple hosted webpage could allow an attacker to steal funds from an open wallet as a victim surfs the internet without any interaction from the victim at all. This drive-by attack would not alert the victim until it is too late and the funds are gone.

We recommend that users of other coins exert extreme caution when using their wallets and to avoid clicking on links sent by untrusted individuals.

Note: Thanks to the members of the Turtle team that worked hard to patch and disclose this issue responsibly. We hold your safety as our first priority, and tests like this help us hold that commitment. — RockSteady

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Out of the Shell #1: @adjoining (aka Ric from Mexico)

Welcome to Out of the Shell, a series of interviews with the developers, designers, and doers behind TurtleCoin. This is @gigantomachia and I’ll be your host.

The TurtleCoin community includes a diverse group of people that share a love of TRTL, and the first TurtleCoin contributor we’re highlighting is no different. @Adjoining is an early member of the community and the one behind the awesome TurtleCoin logo. His real name is Ric and he’s a full-time university student in Mexico, where he was born and raised.

How did you first learn about TurtleCoin?

As a lot of the community, I found out about it in one of the first posts on 4chan /biz/ about needing help for TurtleCoin in different areas. At the bottom of that list was a Design/PR team. I’ve done some quick logos and edits for 4chan users in other boards before, so this was a no brainer for me to try. So I joined the Discord server and uploaded a concept, which became the current logo. At the time, it had some very rough edges, but everybody just embraced it, @ostettd is the one that took on the task of making it perfect. But we kept the first logo as our Discord emoji mascot!

The original TurtleCoin logo, which lives on as the community’s emoji mascot

What’s your background? Are you a graphic designer?

This is gonna come off as a weird one, but my actual field is finance. I’ve never called myself a designer because there are people that study years to become professional designers. My experience around design came at around 12 years old, with some very basic understanding of how Photoshop works. As the years went on, I started developing more skills until I landed my first freelance gigs at around 18.

What was it about TurtleCoin that drew you in and made you want to contribute?

Well, I’ve been a /biz/ lurker for a while now, but never really bothered to go deeper into most of those threads because every project seems like they are trying too hard right now. The fancy names and overly complex explanations on how stuff works made me start using that board just to get a sentiment of what people were talking about. TurtleCoin’s name caught my attention instantly and, once I read through the website, I realized this was probably something I could try on my laptop. I had some trouble setting things up at first, but everyone in here was ready to help at any time. So to sum that up, I joined for fun, and stayed because of how approachable everything and everyone was.

How long have you been interested in crypto?

The first time I heard about crypto — or, to be more specific, Bitcoin — was around 2012. Again, on 4chan when it was still a thing for hackers and drug dealers. I never really went deep into the tech and dismissed it as internet meme magic until late 2016, when I gave the Bitcoin white paper a read and grasped what I could, then went on Google to fill in the blanks and I’ve been trying to learn as much as I can since.

Is TurtleCoin the first crypto asset you’ve been involved in as a contributor?

Yup. It’s been awesome to spend time with the marketing team because it seems like a lot of us are in the same boat.

@adjoining’s initial logo concept for TurtleCoin

What’s the TurtleCoin marketing team working on right now?

We are now quite a big team of people from all different backgrounds, and it’s amazing how we’re all on the same page regarding the project. Currently our goal is to bring the TurtleCoin project under one banner, which is going to be about ease of access and the welcoming vibe the project already gives off. We’re currently focusing our efforts on making everything about the blockchain and how TurtleCoin works more appealing to the average consumer.

Why do you think marketing is important in this kind of project?

I think marketing is important in anything that wants to appeal to a bigger audience, because with the amount of information around us these days, most people tend to dismiss stuff that’s not familiar looking. By that I mean, we’re used to seeing companies and projects like this be presented in a more serious way.

Do you have any requests for the community? How could people get involved if they want?

The translation platform we’re working on for everything TurtleCoin is a great chance for people of all different backgrounds to give their input. Proof reading is also a very important task that we can fall behind on given the amount of content being made every day. In the design side of things, we’re always open to ideas and comments on how things should be done. As Rock said before, even those that think they have no skills have a place in the community. A helpful and open community is what has made us gain so much traction, I think. I would like to invite anyone interested in contributing with their help and skills to the project to go in the #dev_ channels in our discord.

Any idea what you want to be doing after your graduate? Thinking of a traditional financial route, or do you want to try to make a career in crypto?

My current focus is on project management and asset allocation, but I talked to someone from the Turtle chat the other day and they got me intrigued in business Intelligence. I tend to lean more into the business management side of finance; macroeconomics is not really my strong point. But I also believe my career will be directly correlated with the crypto world in the not-so-far future. So, yeah, I don’t really know what’s next for me. Ha.

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This Week In TurtleCoin (Feb 9 2018)

Today’s Value, 4SAT — BTC@8805

The chat grew from 4736 to 6032 turtles this week!

TurtleCoin turns 2 months old today, and to celebrate, we threw a party for our 5000 members. We intended to make it rain turtles in the chat for only one night, but what followed was a 3 day long monsoon of non stop tips. Bebop was the organizer for the party, and I look forward to what he has planned for 25000 members!

  • TradeSatoshi — We’ve been listed on TradeSatoshi Exchange, and featured as coin of the week. Because of the algorithm upgrade, it’s been a bit of a bumpy road to get them set up, but we’re taking responsibility in finding a solution, while in the mean time TradeSatoshi has been very helpful and patient. Big thanks to Kim and the team at TradeSatoshi!
    TRTL on TradeSatoshi —
  • CoinGecko — Big shout out to CoinGecko this week for getting not only TurtleCoin but also TradeOgre integrated in record time after users started tweeting up a storm demanding Turtles. Thanks guys, you really work fast!
    CoinGecko —

  • /biz/cord AMA — Thanks to ChadTrad for inviting Bebop and RockSteady to the /biz/ discord server to hang out for a few hours and answer some informal AMA questions and have beers with the community. We had lots of fun, answered lots of answers, and made some new friends (hey howard!)
    /biz/cord AMA —
    Astronautt Coverage — by PrinceTurtle
  • Delta Crypto Tracker App — We got added to Delta, so for those of you who need that quick pocket price update for your hoard of shells, you’re in luck! 
    Delta Crypto Tracker App —
  • TurtleCoin Core 0.3.1 — The new algorithm update designed to discourage botnets and hash rate spikes has proven a bit troublesome, which has caused sync problems at our newest exchange integration, TradeSatoshi. 
    We owe a great thanks to use DiscoTim, and his helper Tom, who have done a magnificent job of pinpointing the issue to daemons that use the --data-dir and --log-file were experiencing issues calculating network difficulty. They determined that out of everyone who upgraded to 0.3.1, those who ported their legacy chain from 0.2.2 were fine, and those who syncd a fresh chain from 0.3.1 were unable to run successfully for longer periods, causing many orphans and much frustration. This is my mistake, and thanks again to all of our pool operators and bounty participants who have worked patiently and diligently around the clock to get our services back up again.
  • TurtleCoin Core 0.3.1 Bounty — On the bright side, a chat and github user “DeerTacos” has contributed what they believe to be a fix in a pull request currently being review by our own Napoleon Bonafrog.
    “After running the daemon for a while, the wallet could start to throw an ‘Internal node error’. Sometimes the wallet would get stuck like this, and throw it a few times a minute. You’d then have to restart the daemon to get it to work again. I’m pretty sure my pull request has it fixed. Some other guys are running my code as well to make sure my fix works for them too.” — DeerTacos 
    PR —
  • Facebook Asia — Chat user and contributor Rybofy bought a Facebook ad targeting the eastern community, thank’s so much Rybofy!!
  • Tom’s Block Explorer — Tom’s a good dude, and usually the guy to say “I got a server for that” for just about everything. Check out his block explorer and watch a few blocks get assembled live. “So it looks like an edge case was missed in the difficulty upgrade, existing daemon block caches would be upgraded if present, but new instances would sync from 0 as if the change was already applied. Sorry about this, fix in the works”-Tom —
  • BitcoinTalk Announcement —Thanks to Adjoining, and Napoleon and the rest of the turtles who urged us along and helped us launch our BitcoinTalk ANN.
    BitcoinTalk —

MoonMoonDogo’s Turtle Rain Bot in the #Raindance channel
  • Turtle Rain Bot — Chat user MoonMoonDogo made a really popular bot that accepts TRTL, and makes it “rain” on chat users who try to catch it by responding to the bot with the right emoji. It’s been such a big hit! Thanks Moon!
    rain-turtle —
  • Brand Guidelines —Turtle contributors from the #dev_marketing room put together a really nice brand guidelines book that rivals a lot of professional brands out there, and it’s really helped the community come up with a cohesive look for the project. Outstanding work, you guys!
    Brand Guidelines PDF —
  • TurtleCoin GUI Wallet — Our python GUI wallet got some upgrades to the way payment ID’s and RPC works, so if you were able to send money to an exchange this week successfully, drop those turtles a thank you note and tell them thank you for the great work!
    Turtle Wallet —

Ereptor’s Turtle Map, currently on
  • Ereptor’s Turtle-Map! — This is by far the coolest thing to replace particles.js since the invention of the sparkle GIF. I can’t wait for people to see our new website with the turtle map replacing the old particle animation, because it shows you just how many people there are on our network and how spread out we are. Thank you to all of you, and especially the one guy on that tiny island in the middle of the North Pacific Ocean operating a node; you’re the real MVP! website —
  • turtlecoin-walletd-rpc-js — This is a really important project being worked on, and even though it started out just as a fun common sense thing to Bebop, it ended up being used in some pretty important integrations. Thanks Bebop!
    rpc-js —
Play Turtle Trouble —
  • GT3000 —After the success of last week’s Turtle Trouble, GT3000 couldn’t be stopped as he got right back in the saddle for his next installment in the Turtle Arcade. “On the heels of Turtle Trouble we’re not resting and going into our latest project, as of now it’s untitled but we have a working premise. “In the dark future of 2084, Turtles are a prized commodity that have displaced the USD as fiat currency. However their printing is tightly controlled by the ILLUMINATI until you showed up. From your TURTLESTATION, print Turtles and grow in power. Topple the ILLUMINATI’s control of Turtles and save the world.” We hope to have a working prototype soon and get it into your hands!” Thanks GT3000!!! Love what you’re doing with the story line!
    Play Turtle Trouble —
  • Kinjo’s Turtle Runner Game — Kinjo says We have started development on a new TurtleCoin video game with a native TurtleCoin store. The primary concept involves playing as a turtle who is slowly moving forward. Jump around and hide in your shell to avoid obstacles. But if you get hit, it’s game over! And best of all you can play it in browser whilst you mine!”
    Beginning Dev Soon —
    Kinjo’s GitHub —
    CptCrunchy’s GitHub —
    Giselle’s GitHub —
  • Docs, Docs, Docs! — ZedPea has been really putting in work as far as organizing docs and guides from the community for all types of useful things, but the biggest hit so far is the guide on catching rain!
    Docs Repo —
  • Wiki, Wiki, Wiki! — Bebop and a few others have a work-in-progress on porting docs from the docs repository over to our wiki, and he’s looking for helpers last I heard, so if you’d like to contribute a guide and get your name on the wiki, this is your chance!
    Wiki —
  • Paper-turtle — Paper Turtle got an upgrade this week from the guys in #dev_general who made a mnemonic decoder to match the mnemonic scheme on our paper wallets. Thanks MoonMoonDogo for the decoder, and Ereptor for fixing the paper wallet to provide mnemonics as well as a decoder.
    paper-turtle —
    turtle-decoder —

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  • Rocky’s Big Giveaway! — Rocky’s wildly popular Twitter giveaway was a massive success, and was totally a generous way to introduce some new turtles to the community! 
    Three lucky new turtles got 50,000 TRTL as prize for their participation. Great job you all! Thanks to bdougiYO, TayoHatch, and redsandisk for joining the community!
    Twitter —
  • Turtle Memes on the Twitters — Twitter just got a lot cooler this week with the introduction of April O’neills very own personal twitter account, which dispenses all the shelly-meme goodness from our chat’s #meme channel, service up hot copy pasta for all your shelling needs! Post one today!
    Follow TRTLMemes on Twitter —
    TRTLMemes on GitHub —
  • Turtle Xamarin GUI Wallet — This is probably our most popular wallet, and this week it got some updates which should have automatically been pulled in by your wallet, so if you have run it this week, you’re all set! There’s some unavoidable hiccups with the wallet while we transition to our new difficulty algorithm next week, so post issues if needed, but keep in mind it’s only temporary as the network works out the new algo switch.
    Xamarin GUI Wallet —
  • Wreiner’s AUR Repository — Chat user and code contributor Wreiner has done all of us neckbears a solid and made an AUR repository for those of us who are cooler than our friends. You can install with your favorite manager by pulling in turtlecoin-git 
    “For our Arch Linux users we created AUR packages to install with their preferred AUR helper, a bin and a git-based build”-Wreiner
    AUR —

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I’m falling asleep at the keyboard here, so I want to wish everyone a great weekend, you’ve earned it! If your project didn’t get an update and you’d like to be included, let me or Bebop know about it and we’ll get you all fixed up. — RockSteady

Cowabunga dudes!

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How A Block Is Born

This is a chat snippet between TurtleCoin Developer Bebop and Atakor, from a time when Atakor asked about how blocks are formed. Bebop gave a great description, and recently Hai brought it to my attention that it never got posted. I felt it was best to leave it raw and unedited, so excuse any LOL’s or spelling mistakes please. Thanks Hai for bringing this to my attention.

image credit: Malware Bytes


this is not really offtopic but i don’t want to pollute general and interupt the ongoing discussion: how are transactions validated in cryptocurrencies, specifically PoW ones?

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

well in a nutshell laymen’s terms each block is a hash of the previous block and some digital signature information from the sender and the solution to the PoW and the miner

it uses cryptographic key pairs so that it’s basicalyl pretty easy to verify the validity using the public keys — where it’s computationally difficult to try to reverse the private keys used to sign all the information


so noone has to do anything “manually” to verify transactions

everything is automated

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018



mining = generating coins + validating transactions

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

yeah so it’s like this


k great, thanks, i’ll check all the technical details on how it’s done later

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

the blockchain is just a ledger right


i’m curious but never took the time to really understand the whole thing

yep it is

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

well first let me ask you this

do you know what a hash is?




was going to say, i’m a computer science graduate just didnt take time to read the details on how the whole thing works

i understand everything on a superficial level

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

ok awesome

just don’t want to explain stuff you already know


yeah ofc

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

ok so think of it like this

let’s say we’re a group of friends and we create a currency. we agree there are 100 units of fartcoin there’s 10 of us in the group and we all put it in 10 bucks in a pot and say our 100 units of fartcoin are worth the 100 dollars in the pot…

now we decide instead of printing out or making physical tokens for this currency we’re Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

ok so we say any time anyone transacts, the transaction isn’t official unless the spreadsheet is updated.

so we agree that @Atakor is going to keep up with the spreadsheet and so any time anyone does a transaction they get you to update the record. now you’re the central authority

this is bad because you could lie, for your own benefit or just because. you could get overwhelmed and fall behind or become unreliable

you could try to game the system in less apparent ways like delaying transactions in a way that gives you some advantage


Satoshi Nakamoto, ladies & gents
this is valuable text for beginners, i wonder if you can put it somewhere not to be lost

just goign to do it virtually

but we need a way to track the transactionso f this virtual currency right

so that you don’t sell your 10 worth to me and then tell someone else you still have it and sell it to them (double spend)

and so that once i buy 5 from you and 5 from john, now i i have 20




i think i know all of this actually

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

so we say ok we’ll make a spreadsheet


don’t want you to go too deep

to basic i mean

i know how the tech works more or less

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

don’t worry i’m gonna round it out to pOw niceley here in a sec




just was confused about the validating transactions part

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

other people might be reading this


ok cool

oh yeah that’s true!

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

ok so we say any time anyone transacts, the transaction isn’t official unless the spreadsheet is updated.

so we agree that @Atakor is going to keep up with the spreadsheet and so any time anyone does a transaction they get you to update the record. now you’re the central authority

this is bad because you could lie, for your own benefit or just because. you could get overwhelmed and fall behind or become unreliable

you could try to game the system in less apparent ways like delaying transactions in a way that gives you some advantage


Satoshi Nakamoto, ladies & gents

this is valuable text for beginners, i wonder if you can put it somewhere not to be lost

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

so we say ok that won’t work we want a distributed situation. so we set up a group email and say now, for a transaction to be official, you send a message to the whole group and then everyone updates their own copy of the spreadsheet


and to be easily accessible(edited)

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

but now we have a few new issues


what if everyone doesn’t see the message and update at the same time. what if soem people never get some messages, etc

and how do we know the update messages we’re receiving are legitimate

so there’s two elements to this

the first is hashing and encryption. every transaction record is just data so we can hash that, and we can hash that with the previous records. so the sender of the transaction basically does a signed hash of that and that basically gives a sequence of hashes that can be computationally verified and have mathematical guarantees of correctness and crytographic validity

now the 2nd part is consensus. how do we get everyone synced and agreeing on the same sequence of hashes

so the way we get consensus with PoW is we say ok. we’ll do updates on a sort of time interval

and for every single round, 1 random person gets to be the one to update the transactions, and that person signs it with his/her signature and then everyone gets that one as their copy

so how do we choose a random person? we don’t. we do a number guessing game, but it’s not just a simple number guessing game, it’s a hashing game

you gotta guess a number and then carry out computations on it to see if it produces the target number

and whoever guesses it first tells everyone ‘hey i got it!’ and then he can provide the solution — that is computationally easy to verify but computationally difficult to guess

think of it like a set of keys and a lock

100 billion keys or something

and you gotta go through one by one and find the right key for the lock

but once you do, it’s easy for people to insert it into the lock and verify that it opens

sorta like that, via hashing

so you if you guess that round, you tell everyone, and basically if majority quickly verifies and agrees with you, 51% or more, that’s the blockchain now

but what if no one guesses in a round?

well instead of an actual fixed time, we say a round is whenever someone finds the solution

and then we say instead of having to guess the exact number, we say you have to be within a range. and the higher the difficulty, the narrower that range, and we adjust the difficulty each round tryign to target a certain timeframe

in turtlecoin that timeframe is 30 seconds

so each round is not exactly 30 seconds but if there is more hash power then they’re gonna solve it faster and the algorithm is going to increase difficutly on subsequent rounds

and because each round takes time + computational work (hardware + electrical costs) we give a payout — a portion of our virtual currency — for solving the round to incentivize this number guessing and verifying (which we call mining) and because it is incentivized, multiple people participate and invest resources making it hard for a single entity to maintain majority by itself

now instead of a few people starting by putting money in a pot, we just say the only way a unit of this currency can be put into circulation is by mining it

the ledger starts at 0 for everyone

how was that? how’d i do?


your explanation skills are top notch

i wouldn’t have been able to formulate it as clearly and in such a continuous way

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018


once everything is a sequence of numbers now you see how the verification is automated

so in theory i cuold tap you on the shoulder and say hey, fuck @RockSteady Nakamoto , we’re gonna make up some false transactions and send all his coins to us, even tho we don’t know the valid keys for that we’re just gonna accept it as truth(edited)

there we go

and you say yeah, definitely let’s do it

and we just agree on the fake transaction

well problem is, we’re not gonna be able to get 51% of the people to agree probably with an invalid transaction

and becuase each block is a hash of the previous


51% is 51% of the hashing power right?

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

every subsequent transaction would be invalid

yeah you can put it in those terms too as hashing power

now there have been cases when that has happened (ethereum)

but not everyone agreed. they forked


or mining power should i say (de-hashing, finding the hash)

Bebop van Saberhagen-01/16/2018

those kinds of forks can easily happen. sometimes the fork doesn’t maintain interest/value and dies or staggers along and sometimes it does well. blockchains can fork for a number of reasons

that’s where you get bitcion and bitcoin cash and what not

blockchain forks may or may not come with some software or protocol changes, but one can also deploy new blockchains with the same software and protocols or with different software and protocols


(check PM pls)

as i told you, this explanation is valuable, you might want to save it somewhere


@Bebop van Saberhagen as a non-cs graduate I found that very informative this should be on or the welcome channel as a pinned message

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This Week In TurtleCoin (Feb 2 2018)

Today’s value, 7SAT — BTC@8579

The chat grew from 2736 to 4736 turtles this week! Turtle-devs consumed 14.3 gallons of Red Bull while submitting updates for everything they’d ever touched, it seems. The dev team has grown by a factor of three, and we got a lot of good feedback after the success of the update article last week, so here’s another status check!

Sidenote: Just in case you were about to ask for a different type of update, no, TradeSatoshi hasn’t contacted us about the review yet.

  • The Meetup — Blockchain901 cryptocurrency group invited TurtleCoin developers to present TurtleCoin at the FedEx Institute of Technology. Several TurtleCoin contributors showed up to talk about the technology, the community, and their experiences with TurtleCoin to a large audience of crypto enthusiasts. Bebop attended to lead the discussion and @RockSteady joined remotely via Skype to tell the story of TurtleCoin’s origin! 1,200,000 TRTL was given out and everyone had a good time. Big thanks to @brianwentzloff @serroft and @Ereptor !
    Blockchain901 —

Check out Turtle Trouble by GT3000 —
  • Turtle Trouble Video Game — When I saw this project, I had to take a step back and think about how far this Turtle thing had really gone. GT3000 made a really cool game that is surprisingly addictive. Check it out! 
    Turtle Trouble is inspired by the amazing community surrounding Turtlecoin. I wanted to make a game that would reflect the light-hearted approach to cryptocurrency that you just don’t see very often and is sorely lacking.” — GT3000
    Play Turtle Trouble! —
  • Make It Rain Turtles! — Chat user MoonMoonDoggo adapted the TurtleBot code from CodIsAFish’s TurtleBot and has turned it into a rain bot! Now Turtles in the chat can send coins to the bot’s donation address and the bot announces pending rain, giving everyone a chance to PM their wallet to the bot and do a rain dance to catch free shells as they rain from the sky!
  • WooCommerce TurtleCoin Payments — New user Fexra came in with a bang, quickly putting together our WooCommerce payments integration! Here’s a quick snippet about this project from the creator themself! 
    I’m happy to announce the turtlecoin powered payment gateway for WooCommerce. This plugin will allow any ecommerce store powered by WooCommerce to start accepting payments in TRTL. Currently the plugin only supports USD, EUR, CAD and GBP but the next release will support the 20 most used currencies.” — Fexra
    GitHub —
  • TurtleCoin Multiplatform Easy Installer — Cowabunga! The turtlecoin project installation process is now a fully automated bash script supporting both OSX and Ubuntu which can be loaded and run in one single easy command. Try it yourself in your terminal with the following command all on a single line:
    curl -sL "" | bash
    GitHub —
  • Brian’s TurtleCoin Tshirts — Shirts are still a hit, and new designs have been added to the store! Check them out!
    Store —
  • madk’s Free TurtleCoin Faucet — The faucet took a beating this week, with hungry Turtles chomping at the captcha piece by piece! Adjusted for demand, the faucet now dispenses 1 TRTL, 3 times per day per Turtle! Remember, the faucet is preferred to be used by first timers so they can try out the network, please don’t be greedy! Madk had this to add: “development on the faucet has continued due to overwhelming growth. Implementing security measures to keep it alive as turtlecoin has become more popular have just finished and appears to be a success.
    To add TRTL to the faucet for new users, send donations to: TRTLv14M1Q9223QdWMmJyNeY8oMjXs5TGP9hDc3GJFsUVdXtaemn1mLKA25Hz9PLu89uvDafx9A93jW2i27E5Q3a7rn8P2fLuVA
    Faucet —
  • Tek Syndicate featured a video on how to mine TurtleCoin 🙂 Thanks Logan! We apologize in advance for the price of GPUs, and our effect on them!

  • Paper-wallets —@Ereptor fixed up our paper wallets with better entropy generation. The wallet is now adding extra entropy in every request, giving you better and more secure keys every time.
    Paper-Turtle —
  • TurtleCoin Android — These guys are building an Android wallet using a programming language that is hot on the Android scene called Kotlin. I spoke with mobile developer HolmHolk for this update: there is a dark theme (night mode) now, and some implementation optimization
    Github —
  • Sue from pool had a baby!! 5:02AM – Feb 2nd, 2018! Congrats Sue!
  • Block-Explorer — The bounty for the block explorer has been claimed, and we’ve established a permanent installation thanks to community member Watter who set it up and continues to add improvements. Thanks Watt!
    Watter’s Block Explorer —
  • TurtleCoin FAQ — ZedPea and Bebop have been hard at work assembling our Documentation repository. If you’re a new turtle and you don’t feel like coding but you still want to pitch in, start here! We always need help with Documentation.
    Github —
    FAQ —
  • Community Directory was updated; a simple website called has links to all community services and projects. Please email on gmail if your TurtleCoin service or website is not listed.
  • desktop-xamarin (Windows GUI Wallet) — This is a GUI wallet being created by ‘TheRealCrypt” who goes by the Github username codingwithredbull. This wallet was created using Xamarin, and is quickly becoming the most visually ornate wallet we have. Currently, the wallet splits large transactions, chooses sensible fees, helping new users generate successful large transactions to and from the exchange. 
    Github —
  • turtle-wallet (Multiplatform GUI Wallet) — I spoke with CodIsAFish who has been working with Serroft on our Python and Glade multiplatform GUI wallet. Currently the project is reviewing a sizable pull-request that includes many usability improvements. As our first baked-at-home wallet GUI, this project has a special place in our hearts, minds, and liquor closets. Thanks guys!!
    Github —
  • turtlecoind-js — Our very own TurtleCoin core dev Bebop is working on a javascript wrapper for our software that will let us do cool things like web wallets and bots. He had a few things to say “All rpc interface methods are implemented for both turtlecoind and walletd. Next step is callback handlers and testing and then it should be ready for beta” This is a cool idea, and I can’t wait to see how other projects end up using it! Keep going!
    Github —
  • TurtleCoin v0.3.1 — This forthcoming update has contributions from many devs who spotted improvements and best practices we could implement in the next release. The work is never done! This version includes substantial work from Nnamon and TheRealCrypt. 
    “A few security improvements for v0. 3.1 were made to the core executables. The RPC interfaces to the simplewallet and walletd will require RPC authentication (or an explicit override). Other improvements to walletd include more secure networking defaults.” — Nnamon
    Great work guys! 
    REMEMBER!: Pools and service operators, please update your daemon and service/pool software before block 187,000.
    Github —

Thank you to everyone who provided quotes for this weekend wrap-up! Contributors, readers, users, project leaders, you all did a fabulous job this week! Have a great weekend!

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This Week In TurtleCoin (Jan 26 2018)

Today’s value, 10SAT — BTC@10856

The chat grew from ~600 to over 2736 turtles this week . Morale has been at an all time high, as well as our ticker value, and even our brawlers have stopped arguing about the practicality of tuples in C# code. All around it has been insanely productive, and you all owe yourself a pat on the back and something bubbly.

Here is a little weekend status update for those of you that are curious what the community did all week:

  • TurtleCoin dev ‘Rocksteady’ was interviewed on episode #3 of Kevin Rose’s new BlockZero podcast about the beginnings of the TurtleCoin project. Please subscribe if you like what you hear, and drop Kevin a line in the chat if you want to say thanks!
    RSS —
    iTunes —
  • Brian’s TurtleCoin Tshirts — These were a surprise hit with the community, and I even got one for myself and Mrs. Steady. Check out this link if you want one, and you can even pay with popular cryptoassets. 
    Store —
  • madk’s Free TurtleCoin Faucet — One thing that’s been an even bigger hit than the shirts, and something that has saved my fingertips has been madk’s Faucet, where you can fill in a TRTL address, complete a captcha, and get a bunch of free TRTL per day, which is completely community supported. “Turtlecoin stood out as an impressive and fun project just from the website. The community was very welcoming and I wanted to get involved in the development work. No working faucet had been made at the time, so I tackled it as my project. A faucet is important to any coin’s growth and I’m proud to say that I made turtlecoin’s first.” Without generosity, this community doesn’t function, and without madk’s generosity, we’d have a lot less turtles out there!
    Faucet —
  • TurtleCoin Android — These guys are building an Android wallet using a programming language that is hot on the Android scene called Kotlin. I spoke with ShAdY in the #dev-mobile chat for this update: 
    “We implemented a basic contact book with a Database(almost done with this, will add search/filtering & backup/restore), QR-Code Features, and an About screen(edited) I’m gonna finish working on the contact book and hopefully we can implement real functionality soon” 
    Developer neverdot also had an update to add, “UX is coming along nicely, as shady said QR and address book is also working, network stats are functional. Still don’t have the turtle code compiling on mobile but there is a bit more progress.” Outstanding work, guys 🙂
    Github —
  • Block-Explorer — We held a bounty contest for the block-explorer, which we forked from the Karbowanec project, and the responses were very quick. The first complete entry was Devopsralf who claimed the bounty of 1MM TRTL Thanks to all who participated and continue to submit updates: Turtle0x1, islandjim, Watt3r, Devopsralf
    Devopsralf had a few words for the readers, “I stumbled upon TRTL by sheer luck. I was instantly drawn to its active community and solid development atmosphere. I wanted to create something that would help the project in general and having a need for a block-explorer was the perfect opportunity for me. I really hopes this project succeeds and I cannot wait to see what the future holds for Turtle. Cowabunga!” Good guy Ralf, thanks man!
    If you’d like to host a block explorer, please contact us to be added to
    Github —
  • TurtleCoin FAQ — This one was a much needed labor of love from ZedPea, who took the time to take all of the common setup questions and concerns, plus a concise solution for them and put them into this FAQ for us. This is a fantastic contribution to the project that anybody can contribute.
    Github —
  • Community Directory was created; a simple website called has links to all community services and projects.
  • desktop-xamarin (Windows GUI Wallet) — This is a GUI wallet being created by ‘TheRealCrypt” who goes by the Github username codingwithredbull. This wallet was created using Xamarin, and is quickly becoming the most visually appealing wallet we have. TheRealCrypt said, “I could tell TurtleCoin was a unique project from the start, and wanted in on the development right away. All the developers, including myself, have overcome great feats in very short periods, and it shows the nature of how great one project can be when it has a large amazing community behind it. I have had the wonderful pleasure of working on the wallets for TurtleCoin to help users better manage their coins, and I tried not to stop there. I have been working on modifying the current daemon for use on mobile products, and also help with adding ideas to projects to help push PR higher so that all of us my benefit from the amazing community and project that is TurtleCoin.” And we thank you for supporting us, Crypt 🙂
    Github —
  • turtle-wallet (Multiplatform GUI Wallet) — I spoke with CodIsAFish who has been working with Serroft on our Python and Glade multiplatform GUI wallet. Cod said “Turtle-wallet is currently progressing very nicely, with several pull requests having been made, fixing up a lot of things. We hope to have a bit of a redesign at some point, but our main aim is to get a functional GUI wallet out of the door and working for everyone! Currently we’re just working on a few final things, then the wallet can be tested for a very basic functionality release.” Thanks, guys! This wallet is really fun, and is a perfect start for a new developer who wants to tinker with TurtleCoin.
    Github —
  • turtlecoind-js — Our very own TurtleCoin core dev Bebop is working on a javascript wrapper for our software that will let us do cool things like web wallets and bots. He had a few things to say “turtlecoind-js and turtlecoinwallet-js (name may change there) are JavaScript libraries that wrap TurtleCoind daemon and wallet JSON-RPC calls into easy-to-use JavaScript APIs. These libraries will enable the development of JavaScript/HTML applications that depend on interaction with the TurtleCoin blockchain and wallets.” This is a cool idea, and I can’t wait to see how other projects end up using it! Keep going!
    Github —
  • TurtleCoin v0.3.0 — This update has contributions from many devs who spotted many typos, inconsistencies, and functions that needed help. One of the biggest improvements was a change of difficulty algorithm to remove some of the incentive for large botnets to swarm our network and spiking the hash rate. This change should take place by block #187,000 automatically as long as you’re running the updated software. 
    The source code is up for inspection if you’d like to compile on your own, but if you’re a Windows or Mac user or just don’t have the time, community compiled binaries are on the way. Thanks to nnamon for the git-fu to the rescue!
    Github —
  • paper-turtle — This is our cold wallet or paper wallet generator that we use for We had an issue where it was supplying a mnemonic and GUI key, even though we don’t have anything to interpret or receive those yet, and there were many tears while that got worked out. The mnemonic and GUI key should have never been on there, and it was put up in such a hurry that we ended up overlooking the fact that it didn’t work in our graphical wallet.
    Github —

Thank you to everyone who provided quotes for this weekend wrap-up! Contributors, readers, users, project leaders, you all did a fabulous job this week! Have a great weekend!

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Big Turtles Get Stuck!

To put it in simple terms, there’s an issue we’re running across out in the wild and figured it would be best to get ahead of it and keep the community aware of what is going on, and a possible solution while we address the issue.

A whale-turtle struggles to rebroadcast his transaction.

We’ve noticed that sending large transactions (2,000,000+ TRTL) can sometimes get a little hairy, because your wallet will notify both sides of the transaction that a transaction has been broadcast, but the transaction never gets confirmed, or included in a block. This ends with the transaction getting stuck, and after 1–21 days, cancelling.

Normally this is fine.

In Bitcoin and other networks, these stuck funds return to your wallet after some days of not being processed, (they never really left), and you’re able to resume spending. In our case, however, and at least when it has happened to me, the funds remain stuck, and then when the transaction cancels, the wallet software still interprets these funds as attempting to be double-spent, like a US dollar hot off the photo-copier machine.

What’s the problem?

When someone creates a transaction with qualities that make it unsuitable to be processed, it cannot be included in a block easily or quickly. Similar to bitcoin, if you send a large amount of coins with no fee or very little fee, they can sit in the transaction pool until blocks expand to fit the extra size of the transaction into a block.

A good rule of thumb is to use 100 TRTL fee for every 1,000,000 TRTL you send, . If you’re sending less than a million, a fee of 10 or less is fine.

What’s The Solution?

For now, if you have to send a large transaction, split your transaction up into a few chunks of 500,000 TRTL, and if you don’t need the extra transactional privacy, you’ll increase your luck of not getting stuck by using a 10+ mixin for now until a fix is released. Confirmation time is fast on the network, there is no reason to send a large amount of coins all at once and expect it to clear easily.

For the nerds, or people who enjoy a more technical assessment of the situation:

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One Trillion Turtles: Coin Supply and Unit Economics

a wild TRTL appears!

Out of everything we get asked the most, and probably the biggest criticism, we, as a project, receive, is..

“Gee, a trillion coins.. That’s a lot of coins, are you sure that’s a good idea? Nobody would ever list that, the value is too low.”

The first time someone raised that argument, I’ll admit I was impressed, which faded to disappointment, but then ultimately I settled for excited, because I knew I’d get many chances over the following weeks to explain why TurtleCoin was built this way. This article is a summary of our rebuttal for why there are so many TRTL to be generated.

Let’s talk about supply.

When we say “coins” or “total supply” or “total TRTL”, what we mean is that there are1,000,000,000,000.00 TRTL planned to be emitted over the lifetime of the network. That’s 1 Trillion total TurtleCoins. You might ask, “what about the “total supply” of some of the most popular coins out there?

BTC ~21,000,000 (lifetime)

LTC — 84,000,000 (lifetime)

ETH ~97,883,120.97 (currently)

TRTL — 1,000,000,000,000 (lifetime)

IOTA — 2,779,530,283,277,761 (lifetime)

When we say “units” or “divisible units” or “shells” or “turtle cents”, we are talking about the two numbers after the decimal, which are the smallest 0.01 pieces of TRTL that can be made. So when removing the decimals, we get the following amounts of units:

TRTL — 100,000,000,000,000

BTC ~ 2,100,000,000,000,000 Satoshis

IOTA — 2,779,530,283,277,761 IOTA

LTC — 8,400,000,000,000,000 Photons

ETH — 97,879,990,190,000,000,000,000,000 Wei

According to my googling of these figures, you’ll notice TRTL has a number of units far lower than the others surrounding it.

I’m going to use this new-found knowledge to one-up my friends and feel superior to my acquaintances!

So what’s all the fuss about? Why did we choose to even have a decimal place, instead of having bigger unit groups like kTRTL’s or something?

It’s really just a psychological thing. We didn’t intend to make it this way, it’s just a response to how humans think; there is still a large vocal majority of new and inexperienced people who say “Bitcoin is too expensive, I’ll never be able to buy it” and that mentality will probably never be changed.

Conversely, there is an equal amount of uninitiated users that find the amount of digits to the right of the decimal place off-putting and hard to grasp. This way of thinking about numbers when it comes to money, frankly, has very little chance of changing for these two groups of people, and that’s okay.

Part of getting new users is about meeting them in the middle. That means giving them numbers and systems that are familiar and relatable to them.

So, while we know and acknowledge that the decimal placing doesn’t matter, why don’t we put it somewhere that makes everyone feel good, in a place where shoppers can do the math easily in their heads, and miners can realize an adequate return on a day’s work mining.

I think ultimately this will serve us better from a new-user‘s ’perspective.

If you have ideas you’d like to contribute, please leave them as a response below, or join us in the Discord Chat

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